Liverpool over and under rated 11s

Overrated

Dudek - yeah he was the keeper in Istanbul but that doesn't gloss over a bang average Liverpool career, yet people talk him up much higher.

Johnson - see corballyred if you need evidence.

Carragher - mainly by himself if anything but despite me loving him as a player, he wasn't as good as he thinks he was. Doesn't make him a bad player either though. Over 700 games for the club proves he had some ability.

Van Dijk - top quality player but to hear some say he's the greatest centre half we've ever had is so far off the mark it's un F***ing real.

Riise - had a decent shot on him but beyond that he was F***ing useless. I'd outrun him in a race, had no strength and basically got away with being average due to our other left backs/left midfielders during that time not exactly being great either.

Henderson - I've always stated that I loved Hendo but as a player he was average at best for most of his Liverpool career. Great captain but average player.

Fabinho - was a toss up between a number of South American holding midfielders but decided to go with Fab because some were claiming he was the best in the world at times and he wasn't. He wasn't even a great defensive midfielder in my opinion but there you go.

Can - quite simply, one of the laziest players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. At one point some were putting him on a par with Gerrard. Nah la, Emre isn't fit to lace Stevie's boots. Shockingly overrated.

Garcia - one of the most frustrating players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. A bit like Dudek, gets away with it because of his performances in the 2005 European Cup run. Some great goals during the knockout games but his Liverpool career on the whole doesn't have many other highlights.

Crouch - a bit like Carra, probably more overrated by himself than anybody else. Talks about himself as some sort of Liverpool legend and unfortunately the big man wasn't. A decent player to have in the squad who could produce some magical moments but was also not as good that maybe we tend to remember.

Nunez - Darwin, not Antonio. We all love Darwin's work ethic and the problems he causes other teams but a forward will always be judged on his goals and Darwin doesn't get enough - but Liverpool fans don't like to slag him off because too many from the outside do that for us (and I'm as guilty as anyone for that).

Underrated

Reina - for me he is easily the best keeper I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. Three consecutive golden gloves when up against Cech at his best is no mean feat. Cech gets talked about in the same breath Schmeichel but nobody even puts Pepe up there.

Babbel - probably the hardest pick for me because the right back of any side tends to be one of my favourite players so I think they're all underrated. I was tempted with Finnan, Jones and Heggem but ended up going for Babbel because of the horrific injury that stopped his Liverpool career from being talked about as a legendary one.

Henchoz - one of the most consistent performers we had and alongside Sami was as good a pairing as any of the all-time Premier League "greats" but they're never talked about.

Hyypia - basically the same as Steph above. And for me Sami is the best centre half we've had in the Premier League and is easily in the conversation for the best centre half in the Premier League for any club. Just immense for most, if not all, of his Liverpool career.

Robertson - difficult one this because we've never been blessed with great left backs in my lifetime so I don't think many (if any) are underrated as I don't rate them that highly meself. But I will say Robbo is underrated because other left backs in the League's history only had to sneeze for the media to claim they're the best left back in the world but Robbo never seems to get that adulation despite his records. Thankfully I think most Liverpool fans understand how good he's been.

Redknapp - this is probably a totally biased choice because as a kid I based me own game on Jamie's as the centre mid who sprayed it around. He was as good a passer I'd seen for Liverpool until Gerrard turned up, had an eye for a screamer and I always felt he gave his all. I know people don't like him much these days due to his punditry but as a player, for me, he was underrated

Hamann - people used to talk about the "Makelele" role but Didi was doing it years before Chelsea bought the Frenchman and was doing it even better. But for whatever reason, Didi never gets any credit for just how F***ing good he was for his Liverpool career. He wasn't just boss in Istanbul, he was boss for the seven years he was here.

Gravenberch - I've always defended him on here, there's just something I really like about him while others seem really keen to write him off as early as possible. I think others will say the same about a few of his current team-mates that I would argue with though so I understand why people don't hold Grav as highly as I do.

Fowler - yeah I've done it again and put God in one of my Liverpool sides. Greatest finisher the League has seen but is never talked about in the way others are because the injuries cut his prime short. A fully fit Fowler would have broken every record going.

Collymore - for the two years he was here, he and Robbie were almost unplayable. Such a good pairing. No wonder their record as a pairing took something special from Sturridge (who I also could have chosen) and Suarez to break. He's not somebody who is ever gonna make any Liverpool great XI's but for an underrated team, yeah I think Stan deserves a mention. Bit of a c**t away from the game and his "calm down calm down" antics to the away fans when he got sent off against us at Villa Park makes him unfavourable as a person but as I said, he and Fowler together in the mid 90s were something to enjoy.

Owen - I know Liverpool fans don't like to talk about him fondly these days because of what he done after he left club as well as what a tit he is as a pundit but he was so F***ing good in a Liverpool shirt. Nobody could stop him. Like Robbie, if he stayed fit then records would have tumbled for him.

Over to you lot to dissect the two teams and tell me I'm wrong but we all know I'm right really.

Overrated

1) David James

2) Jon Flanagan

3) Christian Ziege

4) Mama Sakho

5) Martin Skrtel

6) Paul Stewart

7) El Hadji Diouf

8  ) Alberto Aquilani

9) Mario Balotelli

10) Mark Walters

11) Stewart Downing

Majority here are just sh*te players that were never rated by the vast majority of our supporters.

I remember being super excited when we signed Morientes. Didn’t quite work out as planned and could go in the overrated list.

Same here mate, he was amassive dissapointment. It was evidently between him and Anelka at the time. Sould have gone for Anelka, he was the one that got away for me. He might have saved Houllier's job if we had signed him after an excellent loan spell in 2002.

Same here mate, he was amassive dissapointment. It was evidently between him and Anelka at the time. Sould have gone for Anelka, he was the one that got away for me. He might have saved Houllier's job if we had signed him after an excellent loan spell in 2002.

Anelka was quality mate, I agree!
Houllier choosing Diouf instead of buying Anelka was his downfall.

Diouf can go on the sh*t and F**k off to a hole list!

Overrated

1) David James

2) Jon Flanagan

3) Christian Ziege

4) Mama Sakho

5) Martin Skrtel

6) Paul Stewart

7) El Hadji Diouf

8  ) Alberto Aquilani

9) Mario Balotelli

10) Mark Walters

11) Stewart Downing

I can be wrong but can't see Skrtel an overrated as I can't remember he was come with such a high expectation.

Of the list above it's Stewart Downing an absolute overrated for me.

Diouf and Balotelli, don't mention them the better.

Overrated

Dudek - yeah he was the keeper in Istanbul but that doesn't gloss over a bang average Liverpool career, yet people talk him up much higher.

Johnson - see corballyred if you need evidence.

Carragher - mainly by himself if anything but despite me loving him as a player, he wasn't as good as he thinks he was. Doesn't make him a bad player either though. Over 700 games for the club proves he had some ability.

Van Dijk - top quality player but to hear some say he's the greatest centre half we've ever had is so far off the mark it's un F***ing real.

Riise - had a decent shot on him but beyond that he was F***ing useless. I'd outrun him in a race, had no strength and basically got away with being average due to our other left backs/left midfielders during that time not exactly being great either.

Henderson - I've always stated that I loved Hendo but as a player he was average at best for most of his Liverpool career. Great captain but average player.

Fabinho - was a toss up between a number of South American holding midfielders but decided to go with Fab because some were claiming he was the best in the world at times and he wasn't. He wasn't even a great defensive midfielder in my opinion but there you go.

Can - quite simply, one of the laziest players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. At one point some were putting him on a par with Gerrard. Nah la, Emre isn't fit to lace Stevie's boots. Shockingly overrated.

Garcia - one of the most frustrating players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. A bit like Dudek, gets away with it because of his performances in the 2005 European Cup run. Some great goals during the knockout games but his Liverpool career on the whole doesn't have many other highlights.

Crouch - a bit like Carra, probably more overrated by himself than anybody else. Talks about himself as some sort of Liverpool legend and unfortunately the big man wasn't. A decent player to have in the squad who could produce some magical moments but was also not as good that maybe we tend to remember.

Nunez - Darwin, not Antonio. We all love Darwin's work ethic and the problems he causes other teams but a forward will always be judged on his goals and Darwin doesn't get enough - but Liverpool fans don't like to slag him off because too many from the outside do that for us (and I'm as guilty as anyone for that).

Underrated

Reina - for me he is easily the best keeper I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. Three consecutive golden gloves when up against Cech at his best is no mean feat. Cech gets talked about in the same breath Schmeichel but nobody even puts Pepe up there.

Babbel - probably the hardest pick for me because the right back of any side tends to be one of my favourite players so I think they're all underrated. I was tempted with Finnan, Jones and Heggem but ended up going for Babbel because of the horrific injury that stopped his Liverpool career from being talked about as a legendary one.

Henchoz - one of the most consistent performers we had and alongside Sami was as good a pairing as any of the all-time Premier League "greats" but they're never talked about.

Hyypia - basically the same as Steph above. And for me Sami is the best centre half we've had in the Premier League and is easily in the conversation for the best centre half in the Premier League for any club. Just immense for most, if not all, of his Liverpool career.

Robertson - difficult one this because we've never been blessed with great left backs in my lifetime so I don't think many (if any) are underrated as I don't rate them that highly meself. But I will say Robbo is underrated because other left backs in the League's history only had to sneeze for the media to claim they're the best left back in the world but Robbo never seems to get that adulation despite his records. Thankfully I think most Liverpool fans understand how good he's been.

Redknapp - this is probably a totally biased choice because as a kid I based me own game on Jamie's as the centre mid who sprayed it around. He was as good a passer I'd seen for Liverpool until Gerrard turned up, had an eye for a screamer and I always felt he gave his all. I know people don't like him much these days due to his punditry but as a player, for me, he was underrated

Hamann - people used to talk about the "Makelele" role but Didi was doing it years before Chelsea bought the Frenchman and was doing it even better. But for whatever reason, Didi never gets any credit for just how F***ing good he was for his Liverpool career. He wasn't just boss in Istanbul, he was boss for the seven years he was here.

Gravenberch - I've always defended him on here, there's just something I really like about him while others seem really keen to write him off as early as possible. I think others will say the same about a few of his current team-mates that I would argue with though so I understand why people don't hold Grav as highly as I do.

Fowler - yeah I've done it again and put God in one of my Liverpool sides. Greatest finisher the League has seen but is never talked about in the way others are because the injuries cut his prime short. A fully fit Fowler would have broken every record going.

Collymore - for the two years he was here, he and Robbie were almost unplayable. Such a good pairing. No wonder their record as a pairing took something special from Sturridge (who I also could have chosen) and Suarez to break. He's not somebody who is ever gonna make any Liverpool great XI's but for an underrated team, yeah I think Stan deserves a mention. Bit of a c**t away from the game and his "calm down calm down" antics to the away fans when he got sent off against us at Villa Park makes him unfavourable as a person but as I said, he and Fowler together in the mid 90s were something to enjoy.

Owen - I know Liverpool fans don't like to talk about him fondly these days because of what he done after he left club as well as what a tit he is as a pundit but he was so F***ing good in a Liverpool shirt. Nobody could stop him. Like Robbie, if he stayed fit then records would have tumbled for him.

Over to you lot to dissect the two teams and tell me I'm wrong but we all know I'm right really.

Well you've met the brief with this post. Lot of good players in your "overrrated" list but yeah some definitely overrated. Agree with you on Carra, Garcia n Crouch. Was Can that highly rated for us? Likewise Hendo - was underrated for about his first 5 years if anything. Fabinho is a  tricky one. I think he was world class, but only for about 2 years. He fell of a cliff in his last couple of seasons. Virgil is a controversial one. He's one of of our best ever CBs. But yeah some have said the best CB in history full stop, which is over-egging it a bit. (Best I've seen I think is probably Thuram. [Hansen our best.])

My personal fave for that overrated would be the biggest shitbag to ever pull on our shirt - Paul Ince.

Even Garcia saw out a derby on one leg unlike the guvnor who cried and fu**ed off the pitch injured in the 99 Cup defeat by utd at Old Trafford.

And Evans called him the final piece in the jigsaw ffs

Always had a problem with Carragher his passing was woeful and had no speed but he was heroic in Istanbul. Phil Neal never gets much of a mention but look at how many games he played and what he won should be up there with the very best

Overrated

Dudek - yeah he was the keeper in Istanbul but that doesn't gloss over a bang average Liverpool career, yet people talk him up much higher.

Johnson - see corballyred if you need evidence.

Carragher - mainly by himself if anything but despite me loving him as a player, he wasn't as good as he thinks he was. Doesn't make him a bad player either though. Over 700 games for the club proves he had some ability.

Van Dijk - top quality player but to hear some say he's the greatest centre half we've ever had is so far off the mark it's un F***ing real.

Riise - had a decent shot on him but beyond that he was F***ing useless. I'd outrun him in a race, had no strength and basically got away with being average due to our other left backs/left midfielders during that time not exactly being great either.

Henderson - I've always stated that I loved Hendo but as a player he was average at best for most of his Liverpool career. Great captain but average player.

Fabinho - was a toss up between a number of South American holding midfielders but decided to go with Fab because some were claiming he was the best in the world at times and he wasn't. He wasn't even a great defensive midfielder in my opinion but there you go.

Can - quite simply, one of the laziest players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. At one point some were putting him on a par with Gerrard. Nah la, Emre isn't fit to lace Stevie's boots. Shockingly overrated.

Garcia - one of the most frustrating players I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. A bit like Dudek, gets away with it because of his performances in the 2005 European Cup run. Some great goals during the knockout games but his Liverpool career on the whole doesn't have many other highlights.

Crouch - a bit like Carra, probably more overrated by himself than anybody else. Talks about himself as some sort of Liverpool legend and unfortunately the big man wasn't. A decent player to have in the squad who could produce some magical moments but was also not as good that maybe we tend to remember.

Nunez - Darwin, not Antonio. We all love Darwin's work ethic and the problems he causes other teams but a forward will always be judged on his goals and Darwin doesn't get enough - but Liverpool fans don't like to slag him off because too many from the outside do that for us (and I'm as guilty as anyone for that).

Underrated

Reina - for me he is easily the best keeper I've seen in a Liverpool shirt. Three consecutive golden gloves when up against Cech at his best is no mean feat. Cech gets talked about in the same breath Schmeichel but nobody even puts Pepe up there.

Babbel - probably the hardest pick for me because the right back of any side tends to be one of my favourite players so I think they're all underrated. I was tempted with Finnan, Jones and Heggem but ended up going for Babbel because of the horrific injury that stopped his Liverpool career from being talked about as a legendary one.

Henchoz - one of the most consistent performers we had and alongside Sami was as good a pairing as any of the all-time Premier League "greats" but they're never talked about.

Hyypia - basically the same as Steph above. And for me Sami is the best centre half we've had in the Premier League and is easily in the conversation for the best centre half in the Premier League for any club. Just immense for most, if not all, of his Liverpool career.

Robertson - difficult one this because we've never been blessed with great left backs in my lifetime so I don't think many (if any) are underrated as I don't rate them that highly meself. But I will say Robbo is underrated because other left backs in the League's history only had to sneeze for the media to claim they're the best left back in the world but Robbo never seems to get that adulation despite his records. Thankfully I think most Liverpool fans understand how good he's been.

Redknapp - this is probably a totally biased choice because as a kid I based me own game on Jamie's as the centre mid who sprayed it around. He was as good a passer I'd seen for Liverpool until Gerrard turned up, had an eye for a screamer and I always felt he gave his all. I know people don't like him much these days due to his punditry but as a player, for me, he was underrated

Hamann - people used to talk about the "Makelele" role but Didi was doing it years before Chelsea bought the Frenchman and was doing it even better. But for whatever reason, Didi never gets any credit for just how F***ing good he was for his Liverpool career. He wasn't just boss in Istanbul, he was boss for the seven years he was here.

Gravenberch - I've always defended him on here, there's just something I really like about him while others seem really keen to write him off as early as possible. I think others will say the same about a few of his current team-mates that I would argue with though so I understand why people don't hold Grav as highly as I do.

Fowler - yeah I've done it again and put God in one of my Liverpool sides. Greatest finisher the League has seen but is never talked about in the way others are because the injuries cut his prime short. A fully fit Fowler would have broken every record going.

Collymore - for the two years he was here, he and Robbie were almost unplayable. Such a good pairing. No wonder their record as a pairing took something special from Sturridge (who I also could have chosen) and Suarez to break. He's not somebody who is ever gonna make any Liverpool great XI's but for an underrated team, yeah I think Stan deserves a mention. Bit of a c**t away from the game and his "calm down calm down" antics to the away fans when he got sent off against us at Villa Park makes him unfavourable as a person but as I said, he and Fowler together in the mid 90s were something to enjoy.

Owen - I know Liverpool fans don't like to talk about him fondly these days because of what he done after he left club as well as what a tit he is as a pundit but he was so F***ing good in a Liverpool shirt. Nobody could stop him. Like Robbie, if he stayed fit then records would have tumbled for him.

Over to you lot to dissect the two teams and tell me I'm wrong but we all know I'm right really.

Well I don't quite agree with your overrated team (I reckon that team is a sprinkle of star dust ie Gerrard or Suarez from winning a good few trophies!) but it's a fantastic list.

And I 110% agree with you on Owen. I will never stop putting him above the likes of Torres or Suarez simply given the fact that he won trophies almost single handedly with us. As you note - simply unstoppable at times and his goals compilation on youtube really makes you appreciate the sheer brilliance of his finishing. He was a winner and he won for us.

I have to think more about my lists but one man definitely going on the overrated list is Fernando Torres. In comparison to Owen, a trophyless nomark who got injured at crucial moments for us. Scored worldie goals and was at his peak one of the very best strikers in the world. But he ultimately didn't provide the trophies we so desperately wanted and needed.

Some outlandish sh*t being written in this thread.

Owen wishes he was born with half the talent Suarez has. Also not Suarez"s fault his manager was a joke, the captain was nearly finished, the Goalie and defence were sh*te and the midfield included the Welsh Xavi.

Suarez literally carried that team on his back in 2014.

Well I don't quite agree with your overrated team (I reckon that team is a sprinkle of star dust ie Gerrard or Suarez from winning a good few trophies!) but it's a fantastic list.

And I 110% agree with you on Owen. I will never stop putting him above the likes of Torres or Suarez simply given the fact that he won trophies almost single handedly with us. As you note - simply unstoppable at times and his goals compilation on youtube really makes you appreciate the sheer brilliance of his finishing. He was a winner and he won for us.

I have to think more about my lists but one man definitely going on the overrated list is Fernando Torres. In comparison to Owen, a trophyless nomark who got injured at crucial moments for us. Scored worldie goals and was at his peak one of the very best strikers in the world. But he ultimately didn't provide the trophies we so desperately wanted and needed.

Don't think I could ever say Torres was overrated mate. He was the best centre forward in the world for a couple of years when he was here. Like a few at that time, his Liverpool career took a nosedive after we just missed out on the League in 09. But I don't think many Liverpool fans put Torres much higher on the all-time great lists than where he should be.

I also think it's unfair to judge a player on trophies. Some of the greatest names in our history like Liddell, Paisley, Balmer, Lambert and many others who won the League title in 47 only have that one medal to their name while Adrian has won everything the game has to offer - that reminds me of somebody else who probably should have been in my overrated team is Adam Lallana.

Some outlandish sh*t being written in this thread.

Owen wishes he was born with half the talent Suarez has. Also not Suarez"s fault his manager was a joke, the captain was nearly finished, the Goalie and defence were sh*te and the midfield included the Welsh Xavi.

Suarez literally carried that team on his back in 2014.

An argument to be had that Suarez is the most gifted footballer every to play for us

An argument to be had that Suarez is the most gifted footballer every to play for us

Top 3 anyway

An argument to be had that Suarez is the most gifted footballer every to play for us

Best player I’ve ever seen in a red shirt.

Top 3 anyway

Behind

Barnes
Kenny
Beardsley
Robbie

For me

Behind

Barnes
Kenny
Beardsley
Robbie

For me

So ahead of Stevie?

And Souness, Hansen and Rush?

And Keegan? Ray Kennedy?

I do admit Suarez was a brilliant player right enough. If he'd been here a bit longer...

Also - to others - Torres was not overrated!!

Keegan could maybe go on our underrated list, just cos you never hear anybody mention him anymore for some reason (maybe just an age thing). Nobody ever mentions Steve McMahon either these days, so I'd put him on my underrated list.

So ahead of Stevie?

And Souness, Hansen and Rush?

And Keegan? Ray Kennedy?

I do admit Suarez was a brilliant player right enough. If he'd been here a bit longer...

Also - to others - Torres was not overrated!!

Keegan could maybe go on our underrated list, just cos you never hear anybody mention him anymore for some reason (maybe just an age thing). Nobody ever mentions Steve McMahon either these days, so I'd put him on my underrated list.

Suarez most gifted for sure.

To me Gerrard is the greatest I’ve seen in a red shirt

I can’t say about the players in the 80s or early 90s as I haven’t watched them play

Suarez most gifted for sure.

To me Gerrard is the greatest I’ve seen in a red shirt

I can’t say about the players in the 80s or early 90s as I haven’t watched them play

Most gifted? Ah, yeah that would put Suarez up the list a bit right enough. Very few more gifted. Maybe Stevie, Barnes. My fav Molby. Not sure even Kenny was more gifted than Suarez, although he was a better player overall.

Suarez most gifted for sure.

To me Gerrard is the greatest I’ve seen in a red shirt

Dalglish or Barnes for me, Gerrard is good but not as good as them two.

An argument to be had that Suarez is the most gifted footballer every to play for us

Hand on heart, I'd take a peak Torres over Suarez.

Hand on heart, I'd take a peak Torres over Suarez.

As a finisher maybe, as a pure raw baller, no way

Hand on heart, I'd take a peak Torres over Suarez.

Hahaha then you never, ever saw them play for real.

Torres was a goal scorer with pace, once the knee was fu**ed and the pace gone, he was finished.

Suarez is an all round footballing machine. One of the very best footballers I've ever seen grace Anfield along with Dalglish and Barnes with what they could do with a ball.

Steve McMahon, under rated??